Season 7 | Episode 12

How Does Identity Impact Experience? +Avriel Epps



About this Episode

"When I got signed to my first record deal...I remember I was making really experimental pop music. I wanted to make things that were, what we associate with alt-R&B today, but it was 2006 or 2007 and that wasn't a trend in music yet. And I remember all the label executives telling me I should go in the direction of Alicia Keys. And the only reason I could justify that in my head was I'm light-skinned, I've got curly hair, and I sing and play the piano. So it's like they see me in this specific lane or role I should be in. And then it got really blatant when they were telling me to do features on rap artists and I wasn't even doing any kind of urban music at the time. It was like I'm black so they were putting me in this urban box and telling me I have to follow this specific pathway to success that they think works."

Avriel Epps, aka King avriel, Founder of SeekU and critically-acclaimed alt-R&B artist, joins us in our season finale.


Song -- Fenetik (RajNATION), Pipe Bomb --

Video -- West Wing on Maps Season 2 Episode 16 --

Video -- Kotex, So Obnoxious commercial --

GQ Article -- Dwayne Johnson For President! --

Song -- Ras Kass -- Nature Of The Threat --

Video -- Cracking The Code, Joy DeGruy, A Trip To The Grocery Story -- 

Find Avriel online at:

Twitter & Instagram @Kingavriel

Email at

Listen to Avriel's critically-acclaimed album, "Thesis"--

Our Season 7 theme song is from Sidewalk Chalk, entitled "Long Time Coming", from their new album An Orchid Is Born. Download and listen on Spotify, iTunes, Amazon, or Google Play.

Stay tuned--Season 8 returns in late September 2017, and will include our 100th episode!